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thy people lord we pray ♪ ♪ by a thousand snares surrounded ♪ keep us without sin today ♪ ♪ never let us be confounded ♪ ♪ lo i put my trust in thee ♪ ♪ never lord abandon me ♪ ♪ lo i put my trust in thee ♪ ♪ never lord abandon me ♪ >>> good morning. in the name of the very reverend father patrick woods, the provincial superior of the redemocraters of the baltimore province, and the entire redemocraters community, it is my privilege to welcome you this morning to the basilica of our mother of perpetual help, affectionately known as mission church. most eminent cardinal sean o'malley, archbishop of boston, welcome once again to this basilica. the redemptors brothers and fathers are grateful for the many occasions you've joined with us here and we look forward to many future visits. we gather today with sadness, but with hope as we mark the passing of the distinguished senior senator from massachusetts, the honorable edward moore kennedy. to mrs. kennedy, and all the family, we offer our sincere condolences and prayers. in this place of faith and hope and healing,
, hastings decided that instead of trying to beat the pirates, why not use them to the company's advantage? >> i would say eight ounces in weight for $10 a piece. >> the nasdaq marketing team put together a campaign. >> one, two, three, go! >> they used a social networking site twitter to send out messages to more than 1,000 followers to give out clues to help people find real bags where they could expect to find cheap copies. how many people will show up and how fast? >> there's the likelihood within ten to tiff fine minutes they could be sold out. >> he was right. it took less time than that. >> i probably have 10 to 12 friend following on your twitter. >> the campaign was not a money-maker. they sold the bags at $10. they considered cool enough to be copied by a pirate elevated the brand. >> you are walking along and seeing, okay, here's the armani and the chenel. and then who is rachel mesnik? >>> across the country, a video game entrepreneur also found a way to nix the pirates. >> we put up a sign that said pirates we are your friends. i would do that because whereas everybody else in
they are on or perhaps they will now be willing to talk to us within the context of the six-party talks about the international desire to see them denuclearized. >> your husband spent more than three hours with kim jong-il. he is the highest ranking person to visit north korea, you know, in more than a decade. is that a possible breakthrough? >> well, we won't know. i mean that wasn't the purpose of it and it certainly is not anything worth counting on, because the obama administration has to deal with north korea going forward but i hope that north korea makes the right choice. i hope that they realize that we are sincere in our offer to have a different relationship with them if they are willing to move toward the full and verifiable denuclearization. and i think the entire world would welcome that change on their part. >> so there were talks between the united states and north korea? that's step. >> well, we do have some channels to talk with north korea and as the background briefing you received from high administration officials made clear overnight, when the message c
's a civil war. and the other people are using bullets and bombs. i think owe israeli is a fascist and he would fit right in nazi germany as far as i'm concerned." all that and more right now on "countdown." >>> good evening from new york. a smear campaign that has nothing to do with new york. take party protestors coordinated by the health care industry now revealing that the fear being stoked seems to have far more to do with anger over who won the last presidential election than it does who does or does not have health care insurance. . obama meeting with six senators about the health care bill that appears to be stuck in their limited negotiations. democrat max baucus talking about a democrats-only bill if republicans won't come aboard. "if republicans aren't there, it could get to a point where democrats may have to go in a different direction. i hope not, but we have to face facts." i know. after he said that, some of us were making sure he had i.d. that he was max baucus. now more about the man senator baucus met today, the president than the health care reform the president is try
evening. >> good evening. thank you very much for that and thank aut home for staying with us for the next hour. on july 27th, two and a half weeks ago democratic congressman frank cratovil was hanged in effigy outside his congressional office in maryland. the staged lynching, the well tied noose and all was gleefully staged by an antihealth care reform protestor. later that week on august 1st the democratic congressman from texas held a town hall event at a grocery store in austin to talk about health care reform. and antihealth care reform protestor there greeted him with a mock marble tombstone engraved with the congressman's name on it. two days after that on august 3rd democratic congressman brad miller of north carolina reported to the capitol hill police that he had received death threats over his support for health care reform. one antihealth care reform protestor called his d.c. office and told a staffer, quote, miller could lose his life over this. the very next day on august 4th the idea of a democratic congressman being killed because he supported health care reform became a pu
tactics here that can be used? i mean, can the rnc recruit the great '60s british rock band the zombies to get this message out? or like every other recording artists, will the zombies wind up for suing the rnc for stealing its songs? >> that's a good point. there actually are republicans that could help us in a zombie outbreak. general colin powell for one. but i don't think they're talking to him right now. >> is there anybody else? is there anyone to turn to in the event of a zombie attack that must inevitably follow in this health care debate, max? >> well, i think a lot of moderate, rational republicans would be great on our team. and they're going to listen to rush instead. >> plus, if the zombies are looking for brains, they'll only eat the democrats. max brooks, the author of "the zombie survival guide." great thanks and give your father my best. >> thank you, sir. >>> that's "countdown" for this, the 2,308th day since the previous president declared mission accomplished in iraq. i'm keith olbermann. and as keith roberts used to sign off, we thank you and we bid you good night.
the atlantic to the white house. somebody in the u.s. government had to know. >> i think it's worth a question or two. i hope it gets asked. big show coming up. >> mike's back, obviously, from an amazing weekend as well, a sad weekend. but i've got to say one of the more -- >> uplifting as well. >> -- uplifting funerals that i've ever observed. >> yeah, catholics know how to do it. >> you guys do. >> beautiful. >> we just say be dead and throw in the ground and that's it. >> throw a handful of dirt on the coffin, see you later, go to the car and leave. >> all right. >> we're going to talk about that after -- >> it's time for news. >> now, welcome back, mika. i'm so excited that i'm not going to interrupt your news.
and as john charles daly used to sign off, good night and a good tomorrow. now to analyze the gop's new patients bill of rights that defends the kind of health care the president is proposing, ladies and gentlemen, sitting in for rachel maddow, here is allison stewart. >> good evening. thanks so much to you. unfortunately rachel is officially under the weather tonight. we'll do our very best to keep the candle burning. we have a loaded show with big names. we'll have insight on the release of the cia report and dr. howard dean will be here to discuss the rnc's latest health care reform foray and we'll weed whack through the latest antireform myths about the va health care. we'll begin with what's called the big kahuna on this show, a cia report detailing interrogation techniques including torture against prisoners in u.s. custody. the heavily anticipated report was finally made public today after months of delay and the details are significant and kind of gross. the now declassified report is still extremely redacted so large portions look something like this. but the pages that are not
. a terrific hour coming your way. daily beast gerald posenor joins us and scott horton, defense attorney rebecca rose-wood land and richard engel in afghanistan and ron allen is with the president in martha's vineyard. we want to start by fast forwarding through the top headlines. in afghanistan four u.s. troops killed in a bomb blast. that brings the death toll to 41 americans killed there this month making it the second deadliest month in afghanistan since the 2001 invasion. >>> canadian police say they have identified the woman who brought ryan jenkins to a british columbia hotel where he eventually committed suicide. police aren't releasing her name. only saying that she is a person of interest in the case. >>> president obama has renominated ben bernanke as the chairman of the federal reserve. now, the president interrupted his week-long vacation on martha's vineyard to make the announcement. >> the financial system on verge of collapse with calm and wisdom and bold action and out of the box thinking that has helped put the brakes on our economic free-fall. >> ben bernanke then prai
to come together this morning. they came back to talk to us. two of them knew each other, one didn't. i was talking to one of the woman's mother and she was watching them and saying, i didn't understand how important this would be because there is no one else who can understand what they're feeling. >> thank you very much for the update there and of course we're learning more details about this cold-blooded killer. >> that's right. disturbing picture that's been painted of him and as we hear about the effort to try to process everything that's happened, the bigger picture is still what was it like in that aerobics class when the gunman went on his rampage. among those wounds, the instructor, who was pregnant. she spoke briefly today from her hospital bed, but did not want to appear on camera. >> 30 hours ago -- >> okay, that was obviously one of the two american journalists. here's the right sound bite. she does not want to be identified. >> i remember thinking, i wanted to hold my breath because i was afraid if he saw i was breathing, he would shoot again. >> on the "today" show this m
economists, does it pick up speed and momentum? but these guys have been telling us, well, for the number really to go down, we actually have to see job creation and we still haven't had a month of job creation. >> speaking of job creation, that cash for clunkers program that an initial billion dollars pa put into, now another $2 billion could lead to some 400,000 additional cars, which some car manufacturers may lead to some hiring because their inventories are light. is the white house talking about that expectation that the $2 billion could begin to stimulate hiring which may have a ripple impact, at least in the hard-hit areas of michigan and tennessee and some of the other car manufacturing hubs? >> i do think that they like the fact that you're seeing the states that are taking the most advantage of this cash for clunkers are some of these states and some of these harder hit manufacturing places like ohio, like indiana. so that is something that they are happy about. but, you know, you take to some analysts here and august is sometimes is a big car buying month anyway, i believe. i'
shows 72% of voters are concerned about health reform driving up the deficit. joining us now. senate majority leader, dick durbin. good to talk to you. what did you come away with from talking to the president in terms of addressing what seems to be an overarching concern for americans? yes, they want health care reform, but not a deficit so deep it cripples their children and grandchildren. >> the president's already said we're not going to have health care reform we don't pay for. it's something the republican critics can't say about what they did. they left a deep deficit from the prips drug program. we know if we don't address health care reform, we're going to have deficits as far as the eye can see and we know the cost is beyond the reach of a lot of working families and small businesses. >> when you're sitting down in committee and talking about which of these plans to go forward, are there any plans that you see that you particularly like and think, you know what, we can make this work. >> there are element of many plans. there have been four different committees so far. the
the whitehouse.gov, saying help us debunk the myth and tell us your story about why health care reform is necessary, saying that the greatest myth of all is that 2 wasn't needed. so i think they are trying to start to actively engage the american people, even more. i mean, obviously with a very busy summer for the president. but it will be interesting to see what they do once people start coming back from vacation, once the president's vacation is all wrapped up, if they really continue this health care focus other maybe shift and focus on the economy since the issue isn't necessarily a winning one for them right now. >> christina bellatony from the "washington times." thanks for the update. >> and now some are wondering where is the change that president obama promised while on the campaign trial, from iraq to afghanistan, guantanamo bay, and the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. certainly change was a key word, and he spoke about it when he accepted the democratic nomination for president. >> now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for
to town halls. they give them talking points to use there. and they try to get them fired up. here for example is the fire them up message from a speaker on mr. phillips' patients first bus tour, which yesterday held an event in pueblo, colorado. >> if this new obama care program comes to fruition, when you reach 65 and every five years thereafter you're going to have a counseling session with some federal airhead. part of this process is called end of life counseling and part of the end of life counseling can be an end of life order. adolph hitler issued 6 million end of life orders. he called his program the final solution. i kind of wonder what we're going to call ours. if you find all this stuff is as repugnant as i do you need to take it to the next step. you need to notify your congressman. how do you notify these people? you can call them. you can write them. you can e-mail them. or you can go to their office and put the fear of god in them. >> put the fear of god in them. because what obama is doing with killing all these people like sarah palin said, that's like what hitle
the other clinton, hillary clinton in africa today. tell us about this visit, what she's trying to accomplish. >> this is her longest visit, her most ambitious visit. she's going to seven countries. she's taking on some tough issues. here in kenya, the most crushing issue is poverty, age, food problems, trade, a corrupt government, political instability. it hasn't been that long since 1,500 people died in ethnic rivalry and wars and battles after disputed election. so there were a lot of problems here in kenya. then she goes to south africa. while here, she will deal with the subject of terrorism and place a wreath at the embassy, which as you recall, 11 years ago, was bombed on this anniversary. so there is a threat, an increasing threat of al qaeda in the horn of africa, and that is something certainly on the minds of people traveling with her. >> well, plenty of issues to grapple with. andrea mitchell, traveling with secretary of state clinton in africa. we will see you from africa tomorrow. thank you so much for your perspective this afternoon. >> thank you, savannah. >>> an
. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, j.j. >> so you met with a group of small business owners earlier this week, what were they looking for out of reform? >> they were frustrated and they want their health care costs to be affordable and to provide health care for their employees, but they are concerned about the taxes and mandates out there in the bill being proposed and they are corp worried about going out of business as a result of these things going to be required. >> so from your perspective. what does reform look like that helps small businesses? >> well, it is completely different than what's being proposed. in a bill i have sponsored, it allowed small businesses to group together. if you are a small business be with ten employees and one has a health care issue, it makes it very expensive. if you can group together with 100 other businesses, your buying power got better and your premiums will be much better reduced. that's one component of the system i would like to see. >> proposals do include exchanges where small groups will get to group together. >> well, what we
regardly used exception to the 51-vote rule and they've turned it into a new rule. it's called the filibuster and means that the minority won't even allow something to be voted on without 60 senators giving it the nod. here's a little chart ha shows the use of the filibuster over time. see that huge spike at the end? that's what happened after the 2006 election in terms of the use of the filibuster when the republicans became the minority in the senate. that's how frequently they started filibustering stuff. instead of the filibuster being an exciting rare exception, when republicans lost their majority in the senate, they started filibustering everything. forcing democrats to get not just a simple a1-vote majority to pass legislation, but the 60 votes that would be needed to break the filibuster. 60 votes became the new rule. so, in other words, they did this. they changed a basic rule of the game order to make it harder for the democrats to score. and by and large the democrats just went along with it. they just accepted that the basket is suddenly 20% higher. they've trained
of the united states. thanks, fellows, for joining us. earlier, i asked you what you thought. who's a bigger threat to health care reform. 83% said conservative democrats. i'm going to hammer them on this show every night. 17% think the town hall screamers are going to actually have an effect. the conservative democrats, i got now in my cross hairs when it comes to cross hairs. you're wrong, you've got to support the president on a public option. that's it. see you tomorrow. have a great one. >>> rage against the machine. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm lawrence o'donnell in new york in tonight for chris matthews. leading off tonight, face-off. we now know how to get your name and picture on the front page "the new york times." say something loud and nasty to a senator and they'll put you above the fold. if there is one lesson we've learned from all the angry health care town hall meetings, it is that it's a lot easier to get a crowd of people who are opposed to reform than a crowd in favor. the big question is how many of these noisy opponents have been organized into position
, right and center agrow on, scare tactics have been used. >> cannot have a government program that is going to pull the plug on grandma. >> republicans have a better solution that will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government. >> a lot of people are going to die. this program of government options is going to kill people. >> and no one's trying to scare people with sound bites. i don't know any leaders in the house and the senator who have done that. yeah, strike two. then there was strike three. a republican party mailer being sent across the country with was surfaced online today. called the 2009 future of american health care survey and it claims to be a friendly questionnaire about health care, sent by, rnc chairman michael steele who promises that, of course, no one's trying to scare people, the survey questions about house reform include, "it has been suggested that the government could use voter re h registration. prompting fears that gop voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a democratic imposed health care ratio
there's anybody that serves in the u.s. congress now that could possibly be missed by the american people as much as ted kennedy. >> and here with me now, nbc news anchor and managing editor and nightly news anchor and managing editor brian williams. the legacy, when you think about health care, incomplete of course but it was the passion of his life but the issues -- gun control, of course, sparked by the horrible tragedies to his brothers. where do you begin when we talk about what ted kennedy represents domestically and internationally because of his opposition to the war? >> well, we can prove it with a negative. there isn't a major piece of social legislation over the past four decades that wasn't touched by ted kennedy. and, andrea, as you know, being a long-time washington resident covering the scene there, there were fancier committees he could have put his flag in the ground and dug into, but he did a lot of his work on labor and human resources as it was called. decidedly unsexy, but it's work stretched into american life. and he was able to do things for the people he wo
and one of the men may have a broken leg. >>> u.s. troops in afghanistan launched a new operation to uproot taliban fighters ahead of next week's presidential election. eastern result two is designed to make months of stalemate in the south where the taliban remained entrenched. >>> host of a crime show in brazil is accused of ordering five killings and sent tv cameras to arrive to the scene before police. he faces several weapons charges and drug charge and yet to be charged directly with the murders. >>> a short time ago, president obama hosted a reception for newly confirmed supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. the president praised her and called her an inspiration to many. >> this moment is not just about her. it's about every child who will grow up thinking to him or herself if sonia sotomayor can make it, then maybe i can, too. >> sotomayor is the first hispanic and third woman to sit on the supreme court. i want to introduce this morning my guest co-host, pleased to have back again angela bert-yur murray and will be with me for the hour. >>> one town hall down and two mo
and david, the critics are ld coming out saying we have allowed bill clinton to be used as a propaganda tool. john boulton, of course, who was the hardliner in the bush administration, saying that we are rewarding essentially north korea's bad behavior, and pointing out that bill clinton was met on the ground there when he got off the plane there with the lead north korean negotiator when it comes to these nuclear arms negotiations. so you're doing to hear the critics talking about what went on there. >> anothnorah, we are talking a whether you might have the story line tomorrow is bill clinton upstaging secretary of state clinton. a lot of people got a little upset with us on twitter saying we're making up story lines, but you have incredible dynamics. it's not every day in this country where you have a secretary of state who is powerful who is a clinton and her husband is a former president able to go into north korea and secure the release and meet face-to-face with kim jong-il. there are so many dynamics at play, and it is all a part of an incredible conversation. >> this is probably the
they're going to have reconciliation, the idea of putting us through with democrats only. they want to hold that over the heads of this deal in order to encourage republicans to stay at the table. >> and what about any reaction yet to the numbers today? 59% of people polled in this quinnipiac poll saying they shouldn't do this alone. they want to see something bipartisan done. >> that's always an answer you're going to get from the public. the public always claims they want a shird party, too, if you ask them. wouldn't it be nice to have a third party to compete. you would get a big number for that, but this is one of those where the result is always going to look stronger and the idea of bipartisanship than reality. i guess i wouldn't take that poll question -- i wouldn't say that that poll question is the be all, end all issue. >> got you. thank you so much. good to see you. >>> and now, "the bigger picture." there's a whole new level of misinformation that seems to be stoking republican protesters showing up at town halls across the country. case in point, last night at a senior
. when he leaves the air space is my guess is when we will wear officially from the u.s. government on this? >> incredible. >>> and tamron, now to the big picture, never mind the incredible story would be if those two journalists were able to come out with bill clinton, what about bill clinton's new role back on the world stage? it wasn't too long ago that clinton was seen as a potential liability for the obama administration. the story in "newsweek" about president clinton's migs and this trip could be clinton's second chance in pyongyang. this still marks a big moment for kim, it's a sort of recognition that the north korean leader has been eager to have for more than a decade. bill clinton man all but absent from the news since obama took office. so as the president's post white house legacy continues to be shaped, how much of it might be shaped by views overseas. kevin sullivan is a "washington post" foreign editor, and kevin is it also the expectation overseas that bill clinton is going to come out of north korean with these two american journalists? >> i think everyone believe
found the numbers encouraging. >> we received additional signs that the worst may be behind us. though we lost 247,000 jobs in july, that was nearly 200,000 fewer jobs lost than in june and far fewer than the nearly 700,000 jobs a month that we were losie ining at the beginni the year. today, we're pointed in the right direction. we're losing jobs at less than half the rate we were when i took office. >> and more fuel for the economy. president obama signed legislation today extending the extremely popular cash for clunkers program. the senate gave final approval last night for an additional $2 billion to provide rebates of up to $4500 for new, fuel-efficient vehicles. >>> mark sanford's wife says she's moving out out of the governor's mansion. >> in a statement she just released, she says quote, i am so thankful for the prayers we have received. it is with this support and after much careful and prayerful consideration, that i've decided to move back to charleston with our sons for the school year. from there, we will continue to process of healing our family. the governor just releas
could think of that is that crazy has already been actually used by these people. there are these crazy conspiracy theories about health care reform on the one hand. and on the other hand there are these organized efforts to shut down political debate about health care by using angry crowds to take over town hall meetings and chase congressmen through parking lots. these two observable facts about the antihealth care reform forces, it turns out, are really one big thing. do yourself a favor if you have a moment and you're online and go to the website recess rally.com. it's a very nice website. very slick. got a big stop sign right there in the middle above the list of all the town hall rallies they expect you to go to and disrupt. the tag line up there you can see is we the people say no to socialized health care. we the people. that's how the republican party has been describing these town hall takeovers, too. putting out a statement today saying democrats should stop being so upset about them. quote, what democrats call mob rule, the average american calls democracy. these kinds of de
congressman david scott have been been confronted by angry constituents and they'll join us in a moment. and remember this woman at senator arlen specter's town hall? >> we are tired of this. this is why everybody in this room is so ticked off. i don't want this country turning into russia, turning into a socialized country. >> her name is katie abrams and she'll be here to explain why she is fighting against health care reform. plus, new evidence shows that karl rove was more deeply involved in the firings of those u.s. attorneys during the bush administration. so is the law finally catching up to rove? "newsweek" investigative reporter michaelis cough will break it down for us, and how did the white house and the democrats get the strategy for justice sonia sotomayor's confirmation vote so right but drop the ball when it came to the message war over health care reform? and finally, president obama awarded the presidential medal of freedom to 16 recipients today, among them senator ted kennedy, sid no poitier, billie jean king and archbishop desmond tootoo of south africa wa. we begin
situation? nbc's mike viqueira joins us now from the white house with all the answers, as always. so, mike, we'll start with that. how much longer can he go back and be referring to president bush? >> you know, it's interesting with all the good -- i guess good economic news, we can go ahead and call it now that we had last friday with the gdp report as the president himself mentioned today in the rose garden, today's unexpected news that the unemployment rate dropped 0.1%, i think the white house is eager to get out there and point out these things are happening and they're not bashful about the fact that while the claim that the stimulus package, which has caused them so much political heartache now, the numbers of the polls going down in terms of the american's approval of the president's handling of the economy and the deficit, republicans getting traction and criticizing him about the stimulus program and a perceived lack of effectiveness, white house not shy about saying the stimulus is in fact in large of a lot of this. robert gibbs summed it up. i think the president has had a pret
humanitarian, forever changing how the u.s. and the world, in fact, treats people with special needs. the special olympic torch led the procession today into the church, where athletes delivered a welcome that moved mourners to tears. noticeably missing today, eunice's brother, senator ted kennedy. he is nearby at the family compound, battling brain cancer. a spokesman for the family said ted kennedy's schedule is, quote, day to day. and right now, eunice's family and close friends are attending private burialed followed by a lunch at the kennedy family compound and a nearby club. nbc's ann thompson is here with me on the cape. ann, who has known the kennedys so many years, who came from this area and has deep roots here, this is really another one of those moments for hyannis. >> i think so. you saw hundreds of people literally lining south street here, catching -- trying to catch a glimpse of the family. and then when they brought out the casket of eunice kennedy shriver, there was applause. and then as each family drove by for bobby kennedy jr., for caroline kennedy and her family
. savannah guthrie now joins us. savannah, interesting to see the kind of white house dance, or just as reverend jesse jackson has done a number of these kind of individual missions said an hour earlier, so is that to be expected? the white house needs a little distance from this? >> i think it's to be expected, especially at this moment when the former president is still in north korea. this is very delicate, trying to secure the release of these two american journalists. the white house may want to say something but it's not going to say anything until those journalists are safe and that is the reason. interesting, though, that they did reach out to say this is a private mission and that may be in service of the former president's goals over there. i think we will hear more of the back story. it's hard to imagine the former president, so connected to the current administration by hillary clinton, his wife, the secretary of state, wouldn't have the overt approval from the white house to do this but you're not going to hear that from the white house today. >> savannah, you know, one
the focus quietly turns to who should fill his seat. >>> pirates off the coast of somalia fire at a u.s. navy helicopter but they miss. how will the u.s. military respond? we're following that. we've got breaking news. >>> is governor mark sanford buckling under pressure? we expect to hear from him literally in moments. we'll put the spotlight on other governors who could be shown the door in the next six to 12 months. i'm carlos watson with a terrific show coming your way this hour. massachusetts attorney general potential replacement joins us, another person who figures prominently, former congressman meehan, columnist joe lawrence joins us. we're also joined by retired u.s. army jack jacob. we begin with breaking news, though. at least 18 people are dead after a bomb blast along the pakistan-afghanistan border. a suicide bomber approached a security opponent on foot and detonated explosives. also developing this hour in california, hundreds of firefighters are battling two wildfires in southern california today. millions of nearby residents are being warned about the toxic air levels
of the al qaeda that attacked us 9/11 and then come home? >> i mean, how do you trust that? how do you trust that you're making a deal with this -- i mean, essentially we already consider them terrorist organizations. these are guys who in the last two days cut off women's index fingers for voting. do you want to make any kinds of deals with these guys and would they honor them? that's part of the problem in afghanistan is that so many of these people are just so-dsht country is so under developed and there is no education and you have to spend so many years just pouring resources in to develop the country to the point where you could really leave it stabilized that that's really what makes for the quagmire there. >> it seems to me, chris, afghanistan is becoming our northwest territory like it is to pakistan, the ungovernable part of the world we have to continually go in and beat the hell out of. >> that's the problem, chris. the idea of an open-ended commitment with an uncertain number of troops. >> thank you. that is extremely danger anonymous light of iraq. >> thank you both. welcome to
a spoof that's also becoming quite a big hit out there. >>> the u.s. military just found the remains of a u.s. navy pilot who was shot down during the first few days of the first iraq war more than 18 years ago. lieutenant commander scott speicher was originally declared dead but his status later changed to missing because his remains were never found. nbc's jim miklaszewski joins us from washington with all those details. things have changed now, mick. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, alex. sho shortly after the iraqi came forward, the u.s. military, the pentagon, even then-secretary of defense dick cheney were so convinced back there on the first day of the gulf war in 1991 that scott speicher was killed when his f/a-18 hornet was shot down in western iraq that he was declared dead. but subsequently because his body was never found, and in fact the wreckage was eventually located and his flight suit was found intact. it raised the possibility he in fact survived the shootdown of his fighter jet and he may have been taken into iraqi custody. under saddam hussein in an iraqi
the inaugural lunch causes concern. >> right now a part of me is with him. and i think that's true for all of us. this is a joyous time. but it's also sobering time. >> still, his cancer battle does not dampen his spirits. >> when the kennedy story is told 100 years from now, it will have to be told as each brother fell the next one took over. so junior died in world war ii. and then jack kennedy became the kennedy to take the banner of political life over for the family. when jack died, it was bobby. and when bobby died, it was teddy. and after they were all dead, he remained on the scene for decades as a public figure, as a senator, and somebody who believed in the causes that they had believed in and tried to carry them forward. >> senator edward kennedy spent decades in congress fighting for liberal causes. his legacy, public service and his concern for america's least powerful. as he said so many years ago, the work goes on, the cause endures, and the dream will never die. that's all for this edition of "headliners and legend," i'm lester holt. thank you for watching. >> teddy. let's play "
, tell us to pull the plug on you. it sounds awful but that's the message getting out to a lot of people. >> certainly, they have taken parts of the plan and distorted some of them. some of them are legitimate concerns that some seniors have that some health care procedures may not be available to them late in life. but the one that they have really distorted is one that revolves around hospice care, and what basically that is is studies have shown if seniors write down a much more detailed -- not just a living will but real directives about what kind of care that they want, that then their wishes will be complied with and many times what they have found in states that do this a lot better than it's done nationally is that many times people don't want to die in an icu unit. they want to die at home with their family, and clearly -- >> i'm with you on that. fair enough. most people would be smart to make these declarations clear so their relatives don't have to make the decisions like in the schiavo case where the whole country got involved. senators got involved. members of congress were
understand the voting the underway. we just saw senator al franken speaking a short time ago. give us some perspective on the politics of this. we know the senators leaving are not, may vote for sonia sotomayor's con fir makfirmatic the political angle, especially with those with a growing hispanic population. >> that's right. obviously, al franken is the most junior senator. it's only democrats who serve as presiding officers. but you're right. ever since this nomination was even first floated, the name of sonia sotomayor, the first thing that came up was that wise latina remark and has been a focal point. republicans have strived for years to secure a significant portion if not a majority of the hispanic vote around this country. they failed in that very dramatically in the last presidential election of course, stepping back a considerable amount in terms of the percentage of that vote they were able to obtain. i think what you saw as a consequence is republicans mindful of the fact that they're the base of the party, the republican party, and the democratic party for that matter, wants
a choice in next year's senate primary because u.s. congressman joe sestak is bravely going to come out of the gate and make a very big statement tomorrow morning, a very big statement. that arlen specter is going to have a rival for the nomination of the party he just joined. that's in "the politics fix" tonight. >>> guess how to get into harvard? well, you could have your father arrest one of its professors. i'm serious. that's in the "hardball sideshow." >>> but first, u.s. congressman lloyd doggett of texas was shouted down at his own town hall meeting in austin, texas. austin is what i'm told apparently the most sophisticated political town in texas, sir. why the zaniness over the weekend at your town hall meeting? let's look at the pictures while you speak of what was going on there. >> what better slogan for the party of no, no way, never, than just say no? one of the reasons is many of these people were summoned in by the local republican and libertarian parties. they didn't even live in the neighborhood. they were there not just to be heard, but to ensure other people weren't h
and a lot more than leadership, they left us you. as maybe your pop would say, because of you, the dream still lives. thank you for the honor of allowing me to be with you. >>> our final speaker is senator kennedy's loving niece. i've had the privilege of introducing her to this stage many times and i'm pleased to do it now. the president of the kennedy library foundation, caroline kennedy. >>> thank you, mr. vice president and all the speakers tonight of the gift of teddy you have given to all of us. thank you, vicki, for loving him with all your heart for so many years and bringing him so much happiness. and to cara, teddy, patrick, kik, caroline for making him so proud, bringing him so much joy, and to jean, i know you lost your soulmate because you and teddy lived your entire lives your life and all your nieces and nephews are here to help you as best we can. welcome to this library teddy built and brought to life with his spirit and dedication to public service. as many of you know over the last few years, or really for most of my semi-adult life, one of my parttime jobs has been in
. >> he was fearful of not being used and yet not getting what he wanted. >> i thought he was like a p.o.w. with his fingers crossed. here's what that freed journalist laura ling said this morning about bill clinton. it got to me. here is he is. let's listen. >> and we were taken to a location, and when we walked through the doors, we saw standing before us president bill clinton. we were shocked. but we knew instantly in our hearts that the nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end. and now, we stand here home and free. >> wow. mike, i was caught up in that emotionally. i mean, i walk in a room and there he is. now, i guess you know, regis philbin could have been there and she might have been just as happy but i don't think so. there's something iconic about big bill clinton. in a way he's his own thanksgiving day float. i mean, the guy is bigger than life, and here he is with the statement, you're free. >> well, sure. i think he said, there are very few people who could have pulled this off. maybe there was nobody who could have pulled this off. >> not because of what he di
you have in there you seem to be disagreeing with what several of us talked about or argued about earlier. >> this is the original bill. >> i don't want to find out you voted for something and we looked at this and it's a different bill. >> when one protestor asked for a show of hands from those in the room who oppose any form of socialized or government run health care congressman green asked for another show of hands for anyone in the room with medicare. many of the same hands went up. tea party protestors who believe they are against government run health care either don't know or don't care that they are at this moment receiving government health care. whether public or private the overwhelming majority of protestors at congressman green's town hall meeting already had health care coverage. >> i'd like to know how many people in this room do not have health insurance of some kind. i think that's the answer to the question. i think the people who are objecting are the people who -- >> time to call in our own eugene robinson pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor
. >> roger, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you. join us again tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern for more "hardball." right now it's teem for "the ed show." >>> i'm ed schultz, this is "the ed show. good evening americans, live from 30 rock in new york, it's "the ed show." what would jesus do while americans are vocal at town hall meetings, i find it very interesting that christian leaders are silent when it comes to the public option of health care in this country. i'm calling on christian leaders to step up and speak out, two passionate men of the cloth will join me. >>> dick cheney back in the news. he says the statue of limitations has expired on many of his white house secrets. it turns out there was some love lost when bush stopped listening to shooter. >>> sarah palin's doubling down on her death panel scare tactic, accusing the president of misleading you when it comes to end of life care. at the bottom of the hour, the congressman who proposed that very passage in the house bill joins me to separate fact from fiction. >>> also tonight, nbc news has obtained ex
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